April 06, 2004

Brains...Brains...

Richard, of Philosophy, et cetera, suggests that it's easy to imagine a simple robot that falls victim to the Motion Induced Blindness illusion I mentioned before. Quoting from one of his comments:
Anyway, the central point to note is that any simple robot (as could be built today), could easily have 'hidden' information (e.g. raw visual data) which is not made available to its other decision-procedures. That is, its camera would capture the photons (same as our eyes)... but the interpreting algorithm could be fooled into not noticing any yellow dots (same as our brain).

The thing about Zombies, though, is that they do considerably more than this robot; by posit, they are indistinguishable from human beings in their behavior. This means that Zombies not only have to be fooled by the illusion, but to notice that it is an illusion, and to say "Neat!" So more is going on than just the information getting hidden by a sub-system (which is presumably what it happening even in humans); there also has to be an ability to note and act on the fact that not only that certain information is present to the decision procedures but that other information ought to be present but is not (which requires not only a model of the world, but a model of your "mental states"), to infer that the reason this is so is due to an optical illusion and not some other kind of failure (Zombies don't look at it and say, "Augh! I've gone partially blind!") and to decide, despite the absence of anything subjective going on, to express a faux-emotional reaction: "that's cool."
Perhaps that's still easy to picture (I don't really find it so, but I may be deficient in this regard).

Suppose we flip it around, though. According to the logic underlying the Zombie hypothesis, if it's conceivable, then it's possible. Isn't it conceivable that the simple robot has qualia? After all, in the Zombie hypothesis qualia don't attach to a mental state by virtue of the behavior that state induces, not even the behavior of being able to note and act on that mental state, nor are qualia the cause of any mental state. (If they were, then there would in principle be some way of distinguishing Zombies from Realies.) Is there a reason that it's inconceivable that the robot that falls for the Motion Induced Blindness illusion has qualia as it does so? If not, then there is a possible world where such robots do have qualia...but if a robot, why not a rock? Can we imagine that there's something that it's like to be a rock?

I am a rock,
I am an island,
and a rock feels no pain,
and an island never cries

It might be that the Zombie proponents would say, "Sure. That proves that consciousness has nothing to do with that lump of meat in your head." I'll stick with my brain, though. I'm very fond of it, you know. We grew up together.

You could slice it another way, as well. Imagine that there are some beings who have qualia, just as we do, but they don't experience emotions the way we do. Call them Vulcans. Unlike people who actually don't experience emotions (such people really exist), and unlike Star Trek Vulcans, these Vulcans are indistinguishable in their behavior from normal people (Feelies). They laugh, they cry, when asked why they laugh or cry they give perfectly consistent and lucid explanations of their behavior in terms of emotions, their physiology changes exactly as humans do in the grip of emotions (bloodpressure, galvanic skin response, etc.)...they have all the normal sensory qualia, but they don't actually have any emotional qualia.
Is this conceivable? If Zombies are conceivable, then Vulcans certainly are.
Have we just proved that the soul, or whatever metaphysical thing provides the qualia, is bipartite, and the question of having sensory qualia is completely distinct from having emotional qualia? Seems so. Whatever "the answer" is to how people can have qualia, it's possible (in the Zombie-possibility sense) to have an entity in that same situation who's a Vulcan.
Why stop there? Is it conceivable that the qualia of thinking are severable from the qualia of perceiving and emoting? What about specific sensory qualia? Can you imagine an entity who has qualia when perceiving visually, but is a Zombie when it comes to auditory perception? What about one who is a Feelie with respect to all emotions except, say, lust, where he's a Vulcan? (Note that he would still act as if he experienced lust, he just would have no lust qualia; it's not the same as having no sex-drive.) I'm reminded of Daffy Duck, who once explained, "I'm different from other people. Pain hurts me." What about someone who is only a Zombie part-time...say every other day. Does that prove the detachability of souls (or whatever)? Or does it prove a new type of metaphysical entity: the every-other-day-qualia-inducer?

It seems like you can multiply the necessary metaphysical entities to explain qualia endlessly. The conceivable => possible argument is an anti-Occam's Razor.

What I'm really arguing is that what's imaginable or conceivable is a really loose constraint if it's wide enough to admit Zombies, and so by imagining Zombies the Zombie-hypothesizers haven't really proved anything possible--let alone proved that there must be something metaphysically or spiritually other going on in our brains or we wouldn't have qualia.

Posted by joshua at April 6, 2004 03:20 AM
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Yeah, I still don't have any trouble imagining a (very complex) robot which reacts appropriately to the illusion. Suppose it has information about yellow dots sporadically appearing and disappearing (same as we perceive the illusion) in its "Interpreting what my camera has detected" data file.

Now, assuming the robot has been programmed with good reasoning capacities, and some basic knowledge of its own abilities (including the fact that its perceptions are not infallible), we could reasonably expect it to conclude that it has fallen victim to an illusion (rather than going partially-blind). Moreover, if the robot has been programmed to be curious about its environment (i.e. to pursue any anomalies it comes across - which surely includes illusions!), then it may well say the rote "i am interested in this phenomenon" words, i.e. "That's cool."

by imagining Zombies the Zombie-hypothesizers haven't really proved anything possible--let alone proved that there must be something metaphysically or spiritually other going on in our brains or we wouldn't have qualia.

Oh, I'm a materialist anyway, I certainly don't believe in any metaphysical "qualia-inducers". My only point is that the 'optical illusions' argument doesn't pose any problems for zombies.

I do like the "flipping it around" argument. Though perhaps the dualist would argue that the soul is (potentially) infinite, so the possibility of sub-dividing it infinitely is no problem for them either?

Posted by: Richard Chappell at April 7, 2004 09:01 PM

but if a robot, why not a rock?

Because your average rock cannot manipulate symbols, and indeed has no cognitive capabilities whatsoever. If you were to build a sufficiently complicated symbol manipulater (i.e. "computer") out of rocks (which should be theoretically possible, though of course not practically so), then it might be possible for that collective "rock-computer" system to have qualia. Implausible though that sounds.

Posted by: Richard Chappell at April 7, 2004 09:28 PM

But Zombies are every bit as complicated symbol manipulators as humans--their brains are identical to human brains in every respect, and behave exactly as human brains do in every respect, including the ability to manipulate symbols...but they lack qualia (according to the hypothesis that is). If that's what we're pretending is the case, then having or not having qualia doesn't seem to have anything to do with symbol manipulation or having cognitive capabilities. I suppose you could further hypothesize that complication and symbol manipulation are necessary but not sufficient to give rise to qualia, but that seems very adhoc compared to the initial Zombie thought experiment.

Posted by: Joshua at April 7, 2004 09:42 PM

Yup, I'm with you on this one :)

(though I still don't know if any of this would convince a dualist)

Posted by: Richard at April 8, 2004 08:50 PM
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